HEY GUYS, DID YOU KNOW THERE'S A NEW ST MODEL?

"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce) 10/01/2020 at 15:28 • Filed to: None

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AND IT’S A FUCKING BUICK

Great work there, GM, you managed to out-Ford Ford in terrible decisions. Awesome, what people really wanted - an Encore with accents that seem meant to highlight how ugly it is. No additional power or handling, BUT IT HAS RED ACCENTS.

OH! And why not use your own branding for it since, you know, the “GS” isn’t a famous symbol for buick performance or anything......Oh wait, you already called it “GX”.....Maybe try “GSX”? Ohhhhhh but no, that name is too ful l of heritage. I GOT IT! Take a page from Ford’s book and slap “ST” on there, that seems to be hot with SUVs right now anyways! What does it mean? Eh, doesn’t matter.

Congrats to whoever at Buick kept complaining about how cool the Equinox “Redline” looked and wanted one for your own product line. You got it. But at what cost?

Buick Encore GX ST - “I survived 2020 and all I got was a lousy buick”

Buick Encore GX ST - It’s amazing they put the red accents on there when they know full well those will clash against the always-on left turn signal.

Buick Encore GX ST - The sad part is, this really is the *best* they could do.

Okay....I think I got enough out of my system. It’s been a shitty week at work and then I saw that this monstrosity happened and I needed some catharsis.

WilliamsSW > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/01/2020 at 15:33

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It’s a Buick. WTF were you expecting, an Encore Grand National? Encore Stage 1 with a 455?

Nah the peoplw who buy Buicks will buy this and tell people it's "sporty".  And they'll be proud of it. 

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > WilliamsSW 10/01/2020 at 15:36

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I never said it wouldn’t sell, I’m just complaining that the ST name got used.

Spaceball-Two > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/01/2020 at 15:38

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I don’t necessarily disagree with any of the above and I know it’s fun to dunk on GM these days, but my sister has one of these and quite frankly it’s pretty nice. Gets good enough mpg and has some nice finishes inside. Decent cargo capacity for a single woman living in the city.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > WilliamsSW 10/01/2020 at 15:40

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....also I actually do want a Buick encore with like a 300-350hp turbo 6 and AWD with the stage 1 badge on it . But that definitely wouldn’t sell.

412GTI > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/01/2020 at 15:43

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You know with the amount of Subaru Forester Sports I seeing running around with the stupid orange accents and dead slow 2.5 motor, I wonder if this might help Buick.

Nahhh, it’s still a Buick. And WHY does Buick need a “Sporty” version. Just stick to your message of luxury ffs. 

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Spaceball-Two 10/01/2020 at 15:44

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I don’t hate the standard encore GX, my beef is that once again instead of a small, fun, hot hatch the name is used to denote some fancy trim and no other changes. 

Tripper > WilliamsSW 10/01/2020 at 15:46

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“ Nah the peoplw who buy Buicks will buy this and tell people it’s “sporty”. And they’ll be proud of it.”

FACTS

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > 412GTI 10/01/2020 at 15:46

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I don't get the red highlights in the grill....that frightens me slightly. I get the red line on the bumpers, but not the red grill...

Urambo Tauro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/01/2020 at 15:48

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That’s so weird... and totally lame. Doesn’t make any sense at all for them to use “ST”, for exactly the reasons you ju st gave. It’s like they’ re completely unfami liar with their own brand history, ignorant of competitor branding, and don’t even have internet access to look any of this stuff up before announcing it. It’s bafflingly odd.

Tripper > 412GTI 10/01/2020 at 15:49

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Yo, it is so slow! (the 2.5 in the Forester) It gives you a little baby little fart of a gasp of power right around ...4100 which feels like screaming in that thing! luckily I can easily get that because ours is a manual but still...

Svend > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/01/2020 at 15:53

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The new ST is the Ford Puma ST. Order from October 2020, on sale January 2021.

WilliamsSW > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/01/2020 at 15:55

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I know, I’m just feeling a bit salty myself :)

WilliamsSW > Svend 10/01/2020 at 15:57

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I... kinda like this?  

WilliamsSW > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/01/2020 at 15:58

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That would be interesting.  If it was lowered.  And had a manual.  

412GTI > Tripper 10/01/2020 at 16:05

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Subaru’s make me laugh because of their aggressive throttle tip in. Feels fast at first then reality comes and it’s just making noise. I bet the manual helps some!

412GTI > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/01/2020 at 16:06

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As a GTI owner I should probably be offended, maybe? Just silly

Tripper > 412GTI 10/01/2020 at 16:06

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some...it’s slowness, bad looks, and cheap interior are balanced by its decent MPG and wild versatility

Svend > WilliamsSW 10/01/2020 at 16:20

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They could of called it something else though.

Now whenever I look at Ford Pumas on Autotrader, I’ll get these.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/01/2020 at 16:22

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Is... is it weird I think it is kinda good looking? At least in the pictures you posted?

Do I want one?  Hell no!  What website do you think this is?

interstate366, now In The Industry > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 10/01/2020 at 18:08

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Yeah, that rear 3/4 actually makes it look pretty nice.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Svend 10/01/2020 at 18:11

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Ew. I just do not like Ford’s current small vehicle  design language. I’ve only seen one Escape (IIRC you lot call it the Kuga) in a color I didn’t hate it in, and I’ve long since died on the hill that we didn’t get the new Focus and Fiesta over here because I think they’re ugly.

Svend > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/01/2020 at 20:09

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I’m okay about the small cars, it’s the small SUVs I’m not keen on.

They’ve not only crapped on the Puma name, but the Mustang name too.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Svend 10/01/2020 at 20:13

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Why does Honda get so much crap for the black plastic c orners   but Ford seemingly gets a pass?

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/01/2020 at 20:16

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The Hondas are a hot mess. The Fords are slightly restrained.

Have you seen a Type-R in person in white?

interstate366, now In The Industry > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 10/01/2020 at 20:17

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Yes, more than once. I’d still take it over a new Focus 8 days a week.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/01/2020 at 20:31

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vs.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 10/01/2020 at 20:35

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I stand by my previous comment. Actually, those photos even  make me want a Type R a little bit more.

Svend > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 10/01/2020 at 20:52

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I don’t mind the Civic Type R. We saw a step change in it, while the U.S. went from EP3 to FK8 .

Quite a change.

While we had the FN2 and FK2 between it.

A step change. 

interstate366, now In The Industry > Svend 10/01/2020 at 21:01

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We didn’t even get the full EP3 experience over here;  we had to make do with your Type S, which was called the Si in the US and SiR in Canada. Apparently the 200 bhp version of the engine was originally set to come in it here as well, but from what I understand Acura execs objected because it had the potential to cannibalize sales of the RSX (Integra) Type S, which was more expensive and was getting the same engine. So we had to make do with the 160 bhp and 5-speed manual version for our EP3.

Svend > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/01/2020 at 21:10

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Ouch, sorry. 

interstate366, now In The Industry > Svend 10/01/2020 at 21:15

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For what it’s worth, I’ve never heard anything negative about build quality of Swindon Civics . If anything, at least the paint on the EP3s  was actually better than the Accords and Civics coming out of Ohio and Canada at the time. Paint issues were quite common on North American Civics for several years.

Svend > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/01/2020 at 21:37

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If I recall the last four, I know at least three, gens came out of Swindon, making UKDM, EDM and JDM Civics.

Though Honda will be closing the plant in 2021. Honda have said it’s nothing to do with Brexit.

The likes of Honda, Mitsubishi, etc... aren't doing all that well in the U.K. and Europe. 

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/01/2020 at 21:48

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I’m just not seeing how they’re comparable in excessive black plastic, especially exclusively appearance plastic (almost all of it on the Type R).

The bigger issue is that the Type R design is such a mess and it draws attention to the black plastic that every car company seems to use these days to make a car look “sporty”.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 10/01/2020 at 22:02

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We’ll just have to agree to disagree then.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Svend 10/01/2020 at 22:11

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Yeah, after the last Japan-built CTR (the FD2, a 4-door) went out of production, the FN2 entered the market there under the “Type R Euro” name, and they got a limited run of FK2s when that came out.

I wonder where the next Type R will be built, if there is one. (I recently read the current Focus won’t get an RS since the US was the largest market for the last version. That said, I see Type R’s far more often than I do RS’s. ) The Si has been exclusively built in Canada since 2006, but I wonder, if there’s another Type R, will they produce at least some of them at PMC in Ohio where they build the NSX. So far the only non-NSX vehicles to come from there are special editions of the Acura TLX and RDX.

Svend > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/02/2020 at 00:38

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The STs are just as good as the RS in the current gen, and of course they can be tuned up here as there are many Ford performance centres here.

I think Civic production is moving back to Japan but don't quote me on that, it's been a while since I read it in the news last year. 

interstate366, now In The Industry > Svend 10/02/2020 at 00:47

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I think I did read that about UKDM Civics. Given that the Civic hatch has sold pretty well over here, I could see either Ohio or Canada starting to produce them as well. Before the EP3 North American Civic hatches were split between the two plants.